Ketosis, Saturated Fat, Cholesterol & Fat Loss w/ Ken Berry MD

Ketosis, Saturated Fat, Cholesterol & Fat Loss w/ Ken Berry MD

hi everyone welcome back to the channel
today I have a very very special guest I have dr. ken berry on I’m going to let
him introduce himself and after he’s on with that we can get started on some
questions super super excited to have you on today so welcome to the channel
hey thanks a lot for having me so I’m Ken berry I’m a board certified
family physician I’ve been practicing family medicine for
almost 13 14 years now and I’ve seen thousands of patients in that time
obviously and I have a YouTube channel I have a Facebook page I have a book on
Amazon called lies my doctor told me you guys are welcome to check all that stuff
out with my current love that has been for about the last three years is using
the ketogenic diet and intermittent fasting to help people lose amazing
amounts of weight if they have weight to lose and then to optimize performance in
other ways if you don’t have the weight to lose awesome yeah definitely that the
ketogenic diet and intamin fasting has become so popular over the last few
years incredibly popular actually and all over
the internet you can just see people’s transformations losing over a hundred
pounds sometimes so it’s it’s pretty amazing that that we have a tool like
that available but with very popular methods of losing weight and dietary
interventions which might be seen as a bit eccentric comes a lot of controversy
and a lot of doubt about the safety of it and what exactly it is and just going
against the grain of what we’ve thought for years and years and years so I want
to focus today’s video mainly on the ketogenic diet we’re talking about
fasting as well I guess but first how about you go on and define exactly what
it is and then we can get into some questions about it so there are multiple
definitions of the ketogenic diets the one that I have the best success rate
with in my clinic with my patients is what some people might called lighten
called lazy keto or unstructured keto I don’t I don’t believe in doing a lot of
macro counting I don’t believe in doing a lot of just you know busy work I
believe in hitting the 90 percent eighty percent as the rule goes that’s
going to get you the most results and and so for my patients I’ve got I’ve got
a little ketogenic guide book handout that I give them and we do questions and
answers and it’s basically 80ish percent fats 15 ish percent protein and five
percent ish carbs and then if you can go lower on carbs comfortably I’m happy for
you to do that because I feel like the lower the carb counts the lower your
blood sugar stays therefore the lower your insulin level stays therefore the
faster you burn the fat on your butt and on your belly and in your liver and
pancreas if you happen to have some there and so what I really don’t like to
give people a lot of busy work and I also try to make my ketogenic diet as
inexpensive as possible I don’t think you need to buy any products and he
pills any powders any potions I don’t think any of that stuff is necessary to
do the ketogenic diet properly where I practice medicine is a is a very low
socioeconomic status community there’s not a lot of money and so I tell people
everyday you can do keto with hot dogs and mustard you don’t have to have grass
fed you know $18 an ounce beef from from the organic market that’s not necessary
now obviously ideally we’d like you eating organic and grass-fed and you
know what I’m saying but that’s not necessary because at this
point in our history of Western society anything is better than the standard
diet so even going a little bit ketogenic it’s infinitely better than
the standard fare that most people ingest every day right so do you think
it’s cutting the Cubs which is a really good thing or inducing a state of
ketosis which is a good thing yeah that’s a great question and I think a
lot of people get hung up on this and therefore you have to keto sticks the
urine sticks you have the the blood monitors you have the now the
breathalyzer that checks your ketones and your in your breath I think that
everybody’s there getting caught up in the minutia and they’re missing the
point but and especially for if you’re just trying to lose weight and correct
your to diabetes and correct your insulin
resistance perhaps prevent dementia perhaps treat depression and anxiety the
entire point here is to keep your blood sugar as low normal as possible which
therefore is going to keep your insulin level as low normal as possible because
insulin is is insulin and glucose going up in hand-in-hand is basically the
definition of chronic modern disease all the chronic diseases are based on that
model and so yeah I think that having ketones in your blood I think that’s
important I think ketones it’s been shown in several studies that they
enhance performance and that they enhance lots of things and so I think
that there is there a benefits to that but you may or may not know I don’t
really endorse or recommend any kind of exogenous ketones I don’t think they’re
bad I don’t think they’re dangerous I just don’t think they’re necessary and
especially with my patient population of people who don’t have a lot of money to
spend it’s not necessary you just have to eat a ketogenic diet and obviously
the root you know the definition of ketogenic is inducing ketosis or ketones
but true there’s a there’s a bell curve for this right and if you’re eating the
standard American diet of the standard Western diet you’re so far away from
that that any move towards a ketogenic diet is a positive thing in my book and
then once you get over the hump and you get down on the good side of the curve I
think that the benefits almost become exponential right um a few questions
that what do you think about MCT oil just as an example I think it I think
MCT oil is wonderful I think if you can’t afford that though I think coconut
oil is fine and again I’ll keep saying this over and over but I think it’s very
important to hear and to understand coconut oil is good enough if you can
afford MCT oil and if you can afford the next step up then that’s fine
do that but coconut oil is good enough because that’s way the hell better than
you were doing before right saying the same goes for butter if you can afford
grass-fed grass-finished butter that’s fine get that because that’s a little
better though mega 3 right much better there’s no doubt about that
but if all you can afford is the cheap generic butter that’s still infinitely
better than margarine and canola oil so yeah you see my point I mean it’s like
yeah that’s a that’s a giant leap forward and then when you can step up to
grasp it or when you can step up to MCT definitely do so but that’s not
necessary to do this dieting not because I see a lot of people who get
discouraged because they can’t afford the MCT or they can’t afford the ketone
meter or they can’t afford it’s like yeah you don’t need that you don’t need
that at all to do this diet right so what do you think about calories
calories in calories out because they’re proponents of something called if it
fits your macros which is basically you have a Sun macronutrient ratio you have
a certain amount of calories to hit who do you think this is okay for do you
think no one should be doing this at all and everybody should be going to a
ketogenic diet what’s your general opinion on that if it’s well formulated
I think the people who count macros now religiously are the same people who used
to religiously count calories and they are the type of people that just need
something to count there but you know that’s that’s the personality style and
there’s nothing wrong with that but I do absolutely think as I think your
question hinted to that if you’re too hung up on macros then you still perhaps
subconsciously believe that calories matter and I just posted a video on the
YouTube page a few days ago that I mean I’m as blunt as you can be calories are
meaningless calories don’t matter at all okay I’m very keen to get into that
because that’s super interesting so yeah let’s say we used one of those
calculators online surely they’re not that accurate but you get and all your
statistics as closely as possible high body fat percentage and let’s say
somebody needs 2200 calories to maintain their weight but you put them on a
ketogenic diet and you put their calories above that does that mean that
they’re going to be gaining weight or not and why because that’s a very kind
of a debatable point that yeah it’s meaningless it doesn’t mean either way
you we’ve been playing the calorie game for the last 60 years and it has never
worked I don’t believe that any of that matters
I believe what matters is doing the diet and then if you’re trying to build
muscle working out those two things work everything else is either myth or
minutia that’s that’s my opinion on that I’ve never because I used to count my
used to be very slender and I used to eat a ridiculous calorie surplus every
day and I did it for years and I didn’t gain an ounce why would it be the case
though well here’s why the human body is much smarter than me and you the human
body is much smarter than the average doctor the human body has been playing
this game for eons of time okay there we’ve went through periods of Plenty and
we’ve went through periods of famine when there was nothing and so your body
is very adapt and increasing or decreasing your metabolic rate it’s it’s
nothing for your body to increase or decrease your metabolic rate by up to
700 calories a day right and so that there are huge studies that show that
proved without doubt that calories are meaningless
the woman’s Health Initiative in America is a huge study done over more than ten
years of time and there was a 1/2 the women ate what they wanted half the
other women calorie deficit every day 300 calories for a seven years and at
the end of that time there was no difference in weight loss they both
weighed the same literally after seven years of being a calorie deficit 300
calories every day for seven years they weighed I think it was half a kilogram
less than the group who just eaten to satiety it’s irrelevant it’s meaningless
when I was in medical school we studied cell and molecular biology and
biochemistry and that’s what your body uses your body does it is not a furnace
it doesn’t burn the food that you eat that’s a that’s a gross underestimate of
the complexity of what happens in your body what happens is is but depending on
which macro you ate it goes down a different biochemical pathway right if
you eat fat it doesn’t go down the same pathway as lettuce and that’s why 100
calories of bacon is not the same as 100 calories of lettuce you can never make
that argument in an intelligent fashion anymore the
cats out of the bag so yeah the it’s a the calorie deficit
or the calorie surplus theory of weight gain and weight loss has been shut right
between the eyes and is dying a much deserved death right so you’re you’re
kind of in support of the idea that carbohydrates lead to increase in
insulin and insulin is gonna be storing fat is that basically that’s
oversimplified obviously but simplify it greatly that’s a good way to think of it
there the the hormone that’s in charge of burning fat or storing fat is insulin
that’s not up for debate that’s proven that’s been known for hundreds of years
in the in medicine we know that and so if you have a ten-year-old type one
diabetic they don’t make any insulin at all right and you can feed that type one
diabetic ten thousand calories a day and you know what they’ll do they’ll lose
weight and they’ll keep losing weight until they die without insulin no amount
of calories means anything you have to have the weight gain hormone insulin or
it is impossible to gain the weight and so the whole the whole premise of that
the actual medical premise of the kid is genic diet is keeping your insulin level
low normal all the time and then you burn the calories you burn the fat
that’s on your body and you don’t burn the carbs that you would be eating
otherwise right interesting that make sense and so there’s really insulin
insulin role in weight gain and weight loss a lot of people act like oh no it’s
the ketones or it’s the know if your insulin level is high you are going to
gain weight if you’re eating eight hundred calories a day if you’re a type
one diabetic and you don’t make any insulin and you’re not taking exogenous
insulin you can eat eight thousand calories a day and you’ll keep losing
weight that’s it’s in a nutshell that’s black and white that’s not open for
debate that’s known and that’s just known
science and so when you we’ve been so tricked by the calorie theory and the
calorie myth that we ignore that insulin issue but when you think about it
like that with with a fresh mind you’re like oh yeah we know that we’ve known
that for a hundred years that insulin makes you gain weight and so there are
studies there was a study a few years back done where doctors thought well
we’re gonna try to have very tight control of type 2 diabetics blood
Sugar’s and we think that that’ll keep them from having heart attacks and
strokes and so we put all these type 2 diabetics on insulin injections right so
that we can keep their blood sugar very very low but they had to stop the study
because what was happening was the insulin was making these people gain
weight even though they were eating a calorie deficit and so they were having
heart attacks at a much higher rate because they were gaining weight so they
had to stop the study for humane reasons this has been proven both ways it’s not
it’s just it’s medical science but we’ve been so blinded by this calorie bullcrap
that we couldn’t see the truth of the matter that was staring us in the face
right um and would the kid agent kiddo genic diet comes the whole controversy
about fat so saturated fat and cholesterol was always thought to be
super super bad you know what causes heart disease and all of that um the
evidence kind of shows otherwise today except for maybe certain people with
genetic variations possibly um so I want to ask you what’s the biggest kind of
controversy about the kiddo genic diet you’re criticized for you hear about and
frustrates you a lot and well most people quickly disappear when they try
to criticize me and then I kind of hammer them with the science they tend
to they tend to scurry along right but the problem is is when a human being
when when your entire life has been lived in a certain environment then to
you that seems like forever and like you just said you know forever we thought
that that saturated fat was bad for you actually that’s not true we’ve only
thought that as a society and a culture since the 1960 before that everyone knew
like there are old cookbooks and old books about etiquette American books
that you know like the older women will be telling the younger women if you want
to lose weight you need to cut out the sugar and the star chips that’s how you
lose weight that’s just common sense you want to get pregnant organ meats butter
all of that it’s exactly right if you want to be
skinny and fertile you need to eat your fat that’s it and that’s been known for
basically the entirety of human existence when we were able to pass on
messages to each other but starting in the 60s and 70s a fellow named Ancel
Keys which I’m sure you’re familiar with this whole story he basically put out
some research that was based on false premises and he but he basically faked
the research that’s what he did he cherry picked and he he published what
he wanted to publish and he left the rest hidden and that slanted the the
view in Western society about cholesterol in saturated fat and
starting at that time is when we started thinking that saturated fat was actually
bad for human beings for the entirety of human history before that everyone knew
that saturated fat was the was good for human beings that was literally the
first thing you would eat when you would make a kill ten thousand years ago you
would eat the fattiest part of the animal first and you would say the the
lane sinua meat for last or better you would just give that to the dogs
hmm yeah definitely um but there are still so many experts out there saying
the other thing I try to be very kind of objective on my channel when I’m
interviewing people so I bring on people even like dr. Michael Greger which I’m
sure you’ve heard right and they are very very opposing views and it’s not
that I necessarily agree with that I’m just trying to get every perspective so
the thing that does frustrate me though and I have to say is that many of these
claims about saturated fat and cholesterol are just based on population
studies and and it’s just that simple idea that correlation does not equal
causation exactly that’s right just cuz the popular you know and that that’s
what that’s the frustrating thing um and I be surprised how many doctors you’d be
surprised at how many doctors don’t understand what you just said yeah it
takes a while for on to get that yeah it doesn’t even imply causation much less
prove it but for most doctors if you show them a causation study they’re like
there you go that proves it it’s like no dude it doesn’t prove anything
at all and actually you can go back to a lot of the bigger causation studies or a
correlation studies and and you can use their own data and crunch it
and show that the people with the highest saturated fat intake actually
live longer and the people with the highest cholesterol levels actually have
better all calls morbidity and mortality numbers than two people with the lowest
cholesterol and saturated fat intake so you can actually use their own numbers
against them they just chose to crunch it in a way that seemed to show a
correlation but in reality you can show the opposite correlation just as easily
with their data yeah things get a bit muddled up as well when there’s a moral
agenda attached to it whether it be like a philosophy on veganism as well and I
think that can get a bit a bit complicated now I’ve had a lot of
criticism for that um yeah and cholesterol has also been shown to be
correlated with less instances of certain cognitive disorders which I saw
David Perlmutter which I’m sure you’ve heard about talk about yes absolutely
and saturated fat monounsaturated fat these are the fats good for testosterone
for example I mean we’re not so fueling our entire body off of omega-6 causes
you you you may or may not know but I’m sure some of your listeners don’t know
cholesterol is the parent molecule for all the sex hormones yeah that’s what
testosterone and all the rest of them they’re made from cholesterol your brain
and your your nerves are made of fat and cholesterol right so is it any wonder
that when we started putting everyone on a cholesterol-lowering statin drug 20
years ago that the dementia epidemic took off I mean when you think about
this from ketogenic paradigm you’re like well duh of course that’s what would
happen yeah yeah I mean when you when you look at it and you just look at what
happened in the 60s 70s when obesity really started to climb and then you
just look at what was happening to people’s nutritional choices it’s kind
of obvious you know carbs go up and then and I mean Cubs have actually gone down
refined carbohydrates since 1999 I think I was reading Stephan Guin A’s book um
but you know sedentary lifestyles have also gone up so it’s you know the thing
in nutrition is it’s never one thing it’s such a complicated it exactly you
can never pin it down to one thing but that definitely is not the problem um so
how do you do a kid a genetic diet right because you can screw it up
time I mean if you don’t understand your electrolyte balance if you don’t get
enough salt that can cause a lot of problems so if somebody listening right
now has been a bit apprehensive about selling but they want to start and do it
right how would they go about that so yeah again I try to keep it very simple
if you’re a type 2 diabetic you can do the ketogenic diet if you’re a type 1
diabetic then in concert with your doctor close consultation with your
doctor you can still do the ketogenic diet if you have heart failure if you
have definitely if you have fatty liver or high triglycerides you need to do the
the ketogenic diet and so it’s it’s basically just a high-fat diet very very
low carb and then I tell people just like the protein take care of itself
because if you’re eating enough fat you’re gonna be getting enough protein
unless you’re some sort of elite level athlete then you might need to really
worry a little more about your protein intake but that’s that’s it in a
nutshell yeah a lot of times people when they switch from the standard Western
diet to the ketogenic diet they don’t realize that they have so much
inflammation in their body and so when you switch to the ketogenic diet which
is a very anti-inflammatory it lowers your inflammation markers almost
immediately you start to pee off all the fluid to urinate away all the fluid that
was held in the inflammatory tissues and with that with that liquid with that
fluid goes a lot of salt and so for the first week or two or three you can feel
kind of fatigued flu-like symptoms that sort of thing it’s called the keto flu
or the Atkins flu and it just means you’re not eating enough salt and so
basically the answer for almost everyone almost on a ketogenic diet who’s having
problems either they’re not losing weight or they feel like crap it’s to
eat more fat and eat more salt and it’s not that eating more fat is magic
but when you eat more fat what the reason that helps is because you’re
you’re triggering your satiety hormones and by definition you have to be eating
fewer carbs if you’re eating more fat because you just don’t have room for
more carbs so you stay you’re you get full quicker and you stay full longer
that feeling of fullness like I’m not hungry but then also if you’re not
hungry you’re not eating any carbs at all and so that
really is the answer and a lot of people you know it anytime there’s a new theory
like this everybody’s taking off and running you know there’s this whole
group of people who are running with the exogenous ketones trying to make a
million bucks and I understand that we try all try to make money but then at
the same time there are people like oh the fats magic just eat pure fat but
it’s more complicated than that like you in it you know you alluded to earlier
this is any human nutrition issue is infinitely complicated there are so many
confounders and so many variables but but basically my I’m what I’m trying to
do is hit the 80% and and you know from from stoicism and and other philosophies
like that you’ve heard of the ID 20 you know very well what that means and so
I’m trying to hit the 80% and and ignore the 20% because people love to get off
in the eddies of the 20% and just chase their tail until they get frustrated and
then quit and so I try not to even mention the 20% stuff let’s just focus
on the 80% and do that so eat lots of fat and use salt liberally and if you
feel bad use more salt and if you’re still hungry or you’re not losing weight
than eat more fast right and that solves virtually every problem because once you
understand and I don’t know if you’ve heard of dr. the Mikkel Antonio he has a
book called the salt fix amazing look I highly recommend it if you’re still
afraid to eat salt or you’re afraid that salt will raise your blood pressure or
give you a heart attack you need to get dr. Dee’s book the salt if you’re not
eating it if you’re not eating enough salt it causes way worse problems
exactly right yeah and again when you crunch the numbers the people with the
lowest sodium intake die sooner that’s been shown in multiple multiple studies
the people who eat the most salt and eat the most fat live longer and have less
dementia and ablis heart attacks and stroke
that’s what all the research has been showing for the last 50 years if you
just crunch the data right everything is kind of flip now salt isn’t bad whew
cholesterol is in badly saturated fat is bad for you so when people look at that
in the hair that they think surely we didn’t get everything wrong but for the
last 50 years just about everything wrong and it hasn’t been forever
because again you that paradigm I’ve never heard this before so therefore
it’s never been said before that’s very short-sighted what we got a look is look
at before 1950 basically before 1950 nobody was afraid of salt before 1950
nobody was afraid of fat it just wasn’t a thing if you just said oh you should
need so much saturated fat back in the 30s or 40s they would have lapped you
out of the room they’re like what are you basing that on where’s your research
and so at any point someone with enough huevos could have stood up and said in
the 70s or 80s where’s your research show me the research that proves that
and then I’m gonna crunch your numbers and make sure it’s right this could have
all went away twenty or thirty years ago but nobody had the wherewithal to stand
up the challenging mmm it gets complicated when money’s involved as
well and there’s a whole lot of money and religion fouls everything right yeah
you can do all the religious fervor or like the vegans you know they they have
a true religious fervor which I respect very much I mean it’s very impressive
the religious fervor that they have that allows them to ignore blatant facts and
latch on to you know to correlations that that may or may not be true yeah
definitely um that’s an interesting topic one that we I could go on for four
hours but we won’t go into that today um let’s let’s talk about ketosis and keto
adaptation because this is something that’s often muddled up as well because
when you wake up in the morning you can be in a slight state of ketosis but you
can produce some ketones because that’s basically your liver glycogen depleting
but there’s a big difference between being in a state of ketosis and being
adapted to fat so what’s the difference between those two I’m not so sure that I
believe in a difference between those and here’s why the reason when you wake
up you’re you’re more likely to be in a state of ketosis because you fasted all
night right and so you’ve depleted your glycogen so you’re burning fat so I
don’t think that that that alone proves that really there’s no real there’s no
real necessity for a keto adaptation you fasted overnight and you were in ketosis
you didn’t have to adapt you did it in eight hours you were so
so you’re saying it’s just based on how many ketones you’re producing so it’s
just like like ketosis deep ketosis is that sort of exactly right yeah the
longer you fast the deeper into ketosis you get and then I think that eating fat
perhaps in some way retrained your body but I think basically you’re eating all
the fat and it’s keeping you full so you’re just not eating the Karp’s I
think it’s gonna be very interesting which way that plays out as to which one
actually ultimately becomes the the proven fact of the matter is I don’t
think we know yet yeah obviously none of this has been researched in any
meaningful way cuz it’s brand it’s it’s very old but it’s also brand new yeah
yeah all zones of the impression that for example somebody who is been
following the ketogenic diet for a week for the first time may be fueling their
brain off I don’t know 30% ketones and then after four weeks that increases up
to 78 or 80 percent as your body becomes more efficient at using fat right and
that’s a theory right and disagree with that I think there may be some truth to
that but it also wouldn’t surprise me if there’s no truth to that at all because
what about that person that that slept for 12 hours I mean they’re they’ve
depleted their glycogen I said I mean they should just die because their brain
has no energy they should just have a stroke and die right no no they don’t do
that they just immediately convert to ketosis and they burn the fat on their
booty to power their brain or otherwise they would be you know they’d be
retarded when they woke up they would have had a mini something bad would have
happened to their brain but it didn’t happen right what about people that you
know someone slipped them of a sleeping pill the rohypnol or something and they
sleep for three days they should be brain damaged when they wake up because
they haven’t had time to keto adapt yet they’ve had to they’ve had no sugar
intake for for three days and you know their glycogen depleted so what happened
there how did they not wake up brain damaged so that’s then so I’m not trying
to argue with the other side of this issue I’m just saying we all need to not
let’s not let’s not build our castles too quickly let’s not say this is why
because you get in ketosis and you’re you’re ketones are point eight and
that’s what counts or you know the more the way I believe
no I think that’s irrelevant I think actually what’s going on as your insulin
levels very very low let’s not be enemies about this let’s say well maybe
you’re right maybe I’m right but let’s start doing some meaningful research and
in the in the meantime let’s keep helping all the thousands and thousands
of people who are getting their life back by doing the ketogenic diet as it
stands undefined we don’t have to define it as long as it’s working and people
are literally having life-changing improvements with this diet let’s not
start arguing among ourselves because all that’s gonna do is slow down the
good benefits that we can help other people attain yeah
I agree but I think that once once something is working in the Roza results
are pretty like profound researchers get interested in it and once reaches that
researchers get interested in it and it’s a complicated topic then it gets
all over the place it does you’re exactly right but there’s no reason why
in the true fashion that scientists are supposed to do things and the example
given to us by the last 50 years that’s how you don’t do it you don’t you don’t
do it with threats and when I’ll ruin your career and you’re an idiot that’s
not how you do this you do this with collegiality and you you you collaborate
you don’t you don’t try to wall off and say I’m right and you’re wrong and you
can go to hell that’s not how you do this and that’s that all that’s gonna do
is slow down the benefits that just a random guy on the street yeah exactly
it’s not about being right it’s about that person who needs the results right
that’s exactly right that guy who’s on the verge of having a stroke doesn’t
have to have a stroke that guy who’s type 2 diabetic and is about to lose a
foot who doesn’t have to lose that foot that’s what this is about hmm um last
thing I want to talk about is gonna be athletic performance because not that
many of my viewers a really big or type-2 diabetic a lot of them are
lifting weights a lot and really really active and one concern is that
carbohydrates are super important for performance especially an aerobic
performance lifting weights and high-intensity interval training and I
think that’s true to some extent so what would you say to somebody who’s very
physically active there sport yep
lifting weights is important to them and they’ve seen in their own life when they
go into a state of ketosis their performance goes way down what’s the
solution and so you’d that that there may be something to that there may not
there may be a genetic predisposition to need carbs for high performance and
someone else might not need high carbs I don’t know yet but I do know that more
and more elite level athletes are using ketosis for and actually breaking the
records there are elite level athletes who are using intermittent fasting and
are doing their heaviest workout while they’re fasting because basically that
bumps their testosterone and their HGH up to the point where it makes carbs
look silly it’s like oh would you rather have you were gonna be carb loaded or
would you rather be testosterone and HGH loaded I don’t know I think I’d probably
prefer the latter but I don’t know if you’ve heard of dr. Sean Baker he’s
North feeding surgeon he’s on the Joe Rogan mantra yeah yeah he’s getting
carnivore actually chit-chatted back and forth on Twitter he’s eating nothing but
meat which by definition is zero carbs four years three years four years and
he’s 50 now and he looks 40 and he competes at the 30 35 year-old level and
he hasn’t been his obviously hasn’t carb-loading cuz he hasn’t eaten a damn
carb in three years so how it first of all how’s he even able to get out of bed
in the morning because he’s not carb loading to exert himself to get out of
bed secondly how is he able to actually he’s beaten all of his old records by
being a carnivore eating zero carbs and so that sort of thing maybe there’s a
genetic variability there some people who can’t do that I don’t know but I
think it’s very sexy to think that the human organism is so complex that maybe
there’s different ways of being your best self but if we don’t need to we
don’t need to make fun of dr. Baker we need to learn from him but we also don’t
need to make fun of the guy that eats a huge plate of spaghetti before he goes
to his athletic event because maybe he knows something that we don’t know about
his particular genetic subtype and so I think that this is a really amazing time
to be alive and to be this arena and to see what’s happening
with human nutrition and human performance because if you had said five
years ago or ten years ago how you know you can eat nothing but meat it’d break
all your old records you’d have been laughed out of the room but now there
are people and he’s actually got a kind of a unofficial study going with
thousands of people who have loading something to that I don’t know yet what
it is yeah I think the biggest thing about the human body is that it can
adapt right I can adapt over time to anything you you you give it I mean it’s
just like some sort of natural disaster that would happen in the in the
wilderness you know your body wouldn’t just die would it would start to adapt
to that circumstance and I find personally as well training fasted at
the gym so much better I like to come yeah I like to kind of compare it to
back in I don’t know cavemen days where you’re going out you’re hunting you
don’t have any food and your body’s forcing you to perform the best so
you’re able to get food so I think of like hunting perfect thinking about this
yeah and ask the carb loader so let’s go back in time thirty thousand years right
yeah and you’re in the cave and you haven’t eaten in three days and so it’s
you know it’s getting tight I mean you’ve got to you’ve got to get with it
you’ve got to be successful and so your body but yet you haven’t carb loaded so
you’re gonna have no energy you’re just gonna have to lay in the cave because
you have you have a carbon coma yeah what that’s ridiculous no if anything
the human body like I said is smarter than the average doctor the human body
is gonna get better the hungrier you get the better you’re gonna perform and I
think I think I hungry I mean low carb intake I think that’s what that means
yeah it’s really interesting I like going back in giving the evolutionary
perspective on them because I think that will give us a lot of insight into it
flies in absolutely absolutely right yeah um okay I think well I think we’ll
wrap it up there but this has been really interesting again tell everybody
about your channel your book and where they can find you and definitely go and
check out Ken’s content it’s really good so I do most of my work on YouTube and
on Facebook I have a Facebook page that can be buried dot
and my youtube channel is can be Barry MD with no dots and then I also have a
book on Amazon both in paperback and Kindle called wise my doctor told me
medical myths that can harm your health and one of the lies obviously is that
cholesterol is bad for you another lie is that you need lots of servings of
whole wheat there’s all these nutritional lies that doctors have told
patients for decades that are baked backed up by no science whatsoever and
so you know it’s a doctor’s job to kind of be an expert in the care and function
of the human body and if you don’t even know what the feeding human but yet
you’re giving advice then in my book that’s a big fat lie and so that’s why I
wrote the book called lies my doctor told me because if you don’t know what
you’re talking about you need to shut up but but and so if you want to know what
you’re talking about you need to be actually been reading the research not
just reading the summary or the conclusion of this paper or taking the
expert opinion because that’s what all the nutrition stuff has been based on
for the last 60 years is expert opinion that’s not science okay that’s just some
dudes opinion who happens to currently be in charge of something that doesn’t
make him any more rights than your hairdresser if she told you something so
yeah why’s my doctor told me that’s the book you know I’ve got a couple other
books in the wart worker that works right now that’ll that’ll hopefully be
out in a few months awesome good stuff sorry this is just a
supply that keeps ya know it’s been great to have you on the channel
hopefully we can do this again sometime when this fly absolutely yeah sounds
yeah any time man I love talking about this stuff can you tell yeah yeah it’s
definitely me too you

54 thoughts on “Ketosis, Saturated Fat, Cholesterol & Fat Loss w/ Ken Berry MD

  1. Hey philip, I love these longer interviews you do, but any chance you could put them on a podcast, souncloud or something? I like to listen to these while I'm out and about and rather not use the data on my phone

  2. I think one point that is usually overlooked in the 'do calories matter' discussion is a basic assumption, that you STOP eating when you reach satiety. I would say that they don't matter IF you stop then. People who become obese though, KEEP eating way past satiety. At that point, insulin and leptin resistance become important.

  3. Love to see you both in one vid! I follow your channels as i'm an avid fan of IF and ketogenic diet. Would be great too if you could have dr. Berg in your vid as well. Lookin' forward to it. 😊💪🏼

  4. I ate 3 chips last night when I made the kids' dinners 😀 but I taught 2 zumba classes this morning, and it's 1.30 pm now and just about to eat. I think I'm safe?

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  6. Loved this video… Thanks guys! Dr Berry… I have a question for you about my fats… I do use an app to count macros and I started doing so only as a type of “guide to keep me at those Keto markers when I first started, but, on my Wednesday’s and Sunday’s which are fast days for me… I only consume my oils. Olive, MCT and Cod Liver oils (1, 2, 1 tblspn). I only drink a Green Vibrant pre/probiotic which is 45 cal, about 7 carbs from greens. My fat % is obviously superior (90% ish) to a 0% protein and about 1 to 2% of carbs these days. Is this ok? If not, open to your suggestions. Thanks so much.

  7. This is why I adore Dr . KenDBerry! He keeps it real and authentic. Not everyone can afford organic food choices when their income is insufficient. Especially, if a person has a family to feed. They're just trying to make ends meet…literally and figuratively. Great interview!

  8. Statistics 101: Correlation does not equal causation.
    I remember my teacher ALWAYS saying this is class!

  9. "Everything wrong…" They told us eggs were bad, mayo , was bad, coffee was bad, red meat was bad, canola oil is good, grains are good… and so forth.

  10. Im doing 80% fat 20% protein and 5% carbs and it took 2weeks to show any ketones at all but I havent lost a lb! Wat am I doin wrong?

  11. I didnt keep track of my macros and lost weight so fast… I loved that, however because I lost my appetite so much I lost half my hair…how can I make sure I get enough without tracking my calories? I was doing percentage of the food I was eating…just wasn't eating enough.

  12. I'm listening and learning. Great show. And just starting on Ketos because I've been diagnosed as having type 2 diabetes. Started on Keto on 5/9/18.

  13. Thank you for addressing the Cholesterol issues. I am having a difficult time finding much that supports keto and cholesterol problems to show my husband. His Dr. and the old science have him brainwashed against fat. And he is a bodybuilder!

  14. I went to the emergency room for a dental emergency on 6/19. Since it involved severe jaw pain they ran labs and an EKG, despite me being a woman and only 32. When the nurse started taking my history I had just started keto the previous week. I told her about my eating eggs at every meal because I've been on an egg kick all month; she started giving me crap about my elevated triglycerides and eating eggs. I almost laughed in her face

  15. I encountered an idiot today when I was shopping for some good keto foods. I muttered about the garbage ingredients in sausage; I was hoping the feta I was looking at wouldn't contain any garbage like that. She looks at me and actually says "its cheese". Duh lady, I can read. Then I told her about reading the sausage and bacon contents; I found a good bacon: a 3# pack of no sugar bacon. The brand is called gwaltney; its at Wal-Mart. Anyway the lady and I started chatting and I mentioned I'm on keto, which she then claimed to be experienced in. Well, maybe "experienced in" means something different to her: the dufus was repeating her "advice" that the body "requires" glucose and that I "need" fruit AND vegetables. "glucose is your fast energy" and "protein is your long lasting energy". When I said fat is a better source of energy than protein I got a flat "no it isn't".

  16. I must have to mention dr. Berry you have changed my life my son told me about you and I started on your diet I've only lost 42 LB and 117 days now but I can reach down and tie my shoes you're a good man keep up the work May there be more like you signing off Gerald boff.

  17. I must say out of all the people I've ever run into you are the best man that I ever heard from you might call it preaching you might call it the truth what's the same time you have changed my life thank you dr. Berry.

  18. One thing that I noticed the people off there are so ignorant they don't realize that what they take in it's the truth and you will know the truth of all truth thank you so much dr. Dr. Berry from a woman's point of view I must say me being a guy you're a sweetheart.

  19. If you have high blood pressure, doctors recommend decrease salt. By decreasing salt, my blood test reveal that I am low on sodium. You are saying to increase salt in everything. There is some confusion with this information. I am transitioning from vegan to another healthier life style. How is the Ketogenic diet help.

  20. I find it hilarious and sad at the same time that I have to watch a commercial clip from a big food company before I can watch this !

  21. We love Dr. Berry!
    I've been on Keto for four months. We have been brainwashed for YEARS to believe the "Pyramid" diet. Eat fat to get thin works but GOOD fats, Extra Virgin Olive oil, Alvocado oil, Grass fed Butter, and coconut oil. In four months I went from a size 10 to a 6, eliminated all my arthritis pain, do not get low blood sugar anymore and cured my lifetime problem of cystic acne. The best part is I'm more alert, I don't
    forget words anymore and can focus MUCH better. Keto is GREAT for the brain! Our ancestors ate this way.
    I can go 12 hours and not even think about eating. It has been amazing. I do eat a lot of vegetables. I do not eatprocessed food or sugar. Most ALL processed food has sugar. I've never been so energetic or felt better. I use to really limit my fat intake and meat intake but continued to gain weight. Keto has truly changed my life.
    It can reverse type 2 Diabetic as well. Tim Tebow has been on Keto for 12-14 years!!! It works! I just had a
    physical and all my lab stats were PERFECT! The Dr. said, " I don't know what you're doing but
    keep it up! I'm 65 and on NO meds!! NO conditions… anymore.


  23. I am not a long-time keto dieter but hit the 6 months goal a couple of times. Probably not enough but FOR ME keto doesn't work. I end with overeating. A moderate intake of carbs (mean max 100gr total, some days much less) even a few from grains (but the most from veggies) keeps me satiated for longer. And makes fasting easier. More than that and carbs become an issue..but that moderate amount is super helping. Any guess? P.s. not ad hominem but ehi if I had to choose who is right between dr.Ken and the vegan promoting he is not an health portrait, neither within the anorexic vegan standards

  24. Is it just me or does any/everyone have the impression these two jokers appear to be a couple of con artists working together in some kind of money grabbing subscription scheme? I have no idea but they just seems creepy, including the facial hair that makes their mouths look like bushy vaginas – aka gender confusion.

  25. Damn! I was hoping to hear some wise thoughts but you lost me after talking about "bad insulin" and "calories don't matter". And it's not fair to bring sick (diabetic) people as an example. Such a shame.

  26. Ancel Keys is like a Nazi or any other war criminal. how many millions of deaths has his "research" caused in 60-70 years

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